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PostSubject: Bolshveism   Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:37 pm

Bolshevism-The belief that the emancipation of the proletariat can only be achieved through the efforts of the vanguard party. Also that the vanguard party, which comprised of professional revolutionaries, would inturn creat a form of centralized democracy.
Bolshevism holds true that all non revolutionary forms of socialism are destined to be crushed by reactionaries.
While after the siege, the party must educate the proletariat to destroy any false views of its social and fiscal conciousness that have been instilled by the bourgeoisie. Thus by giving power to the party the abilty to create a true dictatorship of the proletariat, or workers state, is finally recognized. The dictatorship of the proletariat as described by Marx and Engels is as follows
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"The first step on the path to the workers' revolution is the elevation of the proletariat to the position of ruling class. The proletariat will gain from its political domination by gradually tearing away from the bourgeoisie all capital, by centralizing all means of production in the hands of the State, that is to say in the hands of the proletariat itself organized as the ruling class."
(The Communist Manifesto).
Obviously, the term dictatorship is intended to mean working class in power, as opposed to one meglomanical asshole.

Bolshevik views on Democracy-With the formation of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, the party would thus create a form Proletarian Direct Democracy.
Bolshevik views on Proletarian Direct Democracy are as follows
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Democracy for the vast majority of the people, and suppression by force, i.e., exclusion from democracy, of the exploiters and oppressors of the people--this is the change democracy undergoes during the transition from capitalism to communism.
(Vladimir Lenin-State & Revolution).

Bolshevik views towards revolution-The primary views of the Bolsheviki towards revolution are as follows
The revolution must occur in the 3rd world, for revolution in developed countries to occur.
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That World Wide Revolution Must Occur for all of the workers of the world to be free.
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PostSubject: Re: Bolshveism   Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:18 pm

i believe that the idea that the revolution will start in the third world is true (i mean...look at where all the socialist revolutions have taken place o.o;Wink

but i think that the idea of a vanguard party and the concept of democratic centralism is corrupt - people should always be able to have differing opinions and speak their mind, no matter what decision is handed down by some party....also, when a vanguard party is created, its usually by some bourgeois idealists who think they can "help out thos beneath them" when the power is in fact in the hands of the proletariat, not them...how can they expect to help the proletariat when they are just subjugating them further?

if they ensure that the people are heard, then i'll support a vanguard party "leading" one front of the revolution, but realistically, i think people should be open to many, many different ways of reaching the same goal - communism.

that said, if i believe such heathen ideas, what should i do about "joining a group"? lol
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PostSubject: Re: Bolshveism   Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:22 pm

glad to see some form of support for the bolsheviki, but i believe you just click to join or i think i can recruit you lemme check, you can help recruit from wr please I love you
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PostSubject: Re: Bolshveism   Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:37 am

you may join comunist party right now but not a faction. i have never heard of someone suporting thirdworldism and oposing vanguardism.

the thridworldist theory is revisionist and idealist. those nations are poor because they are developing. they will become rich in time. they are not even totally capitalist. they are semifeudal and have a large population of peasantry,

the proletariat is the only revolutionary class. thirdworldism relies much on the reactionary peasantry, since the workers are not great in number.

the crises only happen in developed countries because of what marxian economics proves. thirdworldism can only be supported by someone who has no understanding of the economics.

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PostSubject: Re: Bolshveism   Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:21 pm

alright should i kick him?
but are you going to recruit some council commies?
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PostSubject: Re: Bolshveism   Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:45 pm

if he asked to join the bolshies you may keep him.

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PostSubject: Re: Bolshveism   Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:12 pm

Karl Marx wrote:
you may join comunist party right now but not a faction. i have never heard of someone suporting thirdworldism and oposing vanguardism.

the thridworldist theory is revisionist and idealist. those nations are poor because they are developing. they will become rich in time. they are not even totally capitalist. they are semifeudal and have a large population of peasantry,

the proletariat is the only revolutionary class. thirdworldism relies much on the reactionary peasantry, since the workers are not great in number.

the crises only happen in developed countries because of what marxian economics proves. thirdworldism can only be supported by someone who has no understanding of the economics.

like i said, many faces to revolution, because the drive for the revolution is in the people who have nothing - which, btw, the peasants in the third world have nothing, they are like serfs.

farmers AND workers need to work together in the end anyway, right? oh well...

also, by just saying they are developing, you are ignoring how the capitalist nations depend on the third world nations for both cheap labor and market - i.e. they NEED to keep them as poor as possible, so, they will do everything in their power to continue improving their means of production while keeping their infrastructure at dangerously low levels....

lol, and there's nothing wrong with revising something, and especially nothing wrong with challenging aspects of past writings, no matter how central to the creation of a theory the writing was =D
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PostSubject: Re: Bolshveism   Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:03 pm

peasnants are a class left over from feudal society. they are disappearing as capitalism develops further. thus their interest is to roll back the wheels of time to the feudal age. aka they are not revolutionary, but reactionary, as marx explains in the communist manifesto.

when the rich countries now were poor, did they have a revolution?



aparently your completely ignorant of marxian economics.

it is indeed true that capital will increase in third world countries because of cheap labor. however, you are neglecting the obvious fact prices are determined by supply and demand. this goes also for the labor-power commodity. when demand for labor increases in the form of increased supply of variable capital, wages will increase.

this is the same way that current developed nations had their wages increases. when capital increases, wages do also.

this means that wages in developing nations will rise as capital flows from developed to 3rdworld countries, raising the living standard of those countries to that of the developed countries. then the laws of capitalist accumulation will tend to bring crises upon the mature cpaitalist mode of production. as long as the means of overcoming crises are not exhausted, capitalism will continue to survive, but when these means are gone, capitalism vanishes with it.

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